John Calvin and the Jews

An article by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach in the Jerusalem Post should be read by both Jews and Christians. Especially by those Jews who see a Christian conspiracy to forcibly convert them in every gesture of friendship.

Rabbi Boteach’s thesis is quite simple, really: Some Christians, evangelicals in particular, are true friends of Israel and the Jewish people. Make no mistake: many Christian “friends” are just trying to convert the Jews. But there is solid evidence that many evangelical Protestants and conservative Catholics (e.g. Father Richard John Neuhaus, editor of First Things), are friends without such an ulterior motive.

The essence of why such support is simple: it’s in the Book. As in the Bible. From Rabbi Boteach’s article:

In recent years Christians have been taking a new look at the Jewish people and determining that without the nation God originally chose to be the carriers of ethical monotheism the message itself is diminished. There can be no redemption that is not inspired by the inclusion of God’s chosen people.

Evangelical Christians cite biblical passages such as God’s promise to Abraham: “I will bless those who bless thee,” [Genesis 12:3] and the Psalmist’s beautiful plea: “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem; may they prosper who love you,” (Psalm 122). And any functional diminishing of God’s chosen people on the earth would be a functional diminishing of God’s light in our world, say the evangelicals.

Throughout the centuries, Christians, for the most part, have certainly not loved the Jews. To the extent they did not, to the extent they persecuted God’s chosen people, they denied the very basis of their own faith.

It took the Protestant Reformation to wake up Christendom. At least parts of it. And, even within the Reformers, Martin Luther himself resorted to the worst kind of anti-Semitism when his project to convert the Jews failed. It took someone with a firmer footing in Scripture to understand that the Jews, Christ or no Christ, continue to occupy a special place in God’s earthly kingdom. With, or without, the Jews conversion to the Christian faith.

One of the best explanations of what is behind Calvin’s philo-Semitism may be found at Azure in a touching article by a Armand Laferrere, a French Huguenot, entitled “The Huguenots, the Jews, and Me”:

This small nation [the Jews], he [John Calvin] explains, was chosen by God to manifest his love, not because the Jews were less sinful than other peoples, but because it was God’s eternal, unmerited, and unquestionable decision: “God has attested this [predestination] not only in individual persons,” he wrote, “but has given us an example of it in the whole offspring of Abraham….” He also maintained that “[those who say that God’s goodness extends to all creatures], let them answer why God bound himself to one people, to be their father…”

Finally, while Catholics and Lutherans argued that the Law of Moses was but a symbol of the spiritual alliance of God and man in Christ, Calvin insisted that the Law, which was given only to the Jews, be seen as a sign of God’s particular love for Israel.

Yes, that John Calvin, who gets such a bad rap from virtually all of the so-called “mainline” Protestant churches today. You know which ones: The Episcopal Church, the Presbyterian Church (USA), the Congregationalists. Those that lead the divestiture from Israel drives. Those that just love Muslim terrorists, but are ferocious scolds whenever Israel defends herself.

The conclusion? Evangelical Christians can be solid friends, friends forged in the fire of God’s word to humanity. And I know that many among those evangelicals are not two-faced, merely trying to further some millenialist end-times agenda that aims to convert or kill the Jews.

These are good friends, and should not be spurned.

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24 comments

  1. Hi whoever!
    The article is good, but not very detailed and missing some basic qoutations relevant to the most recent experience by scholars, could you please give as well the extent to which they are not the chosen nation

  2. John Calvin was not a Christian. Much of Calvin’s background is lost in the mists of time. But I think it is clear that Calvin was greatly influenced in his theology by the merchant Jewish communities in his midst in Northern France. Calvinism was nothing more that a middle class rebellion against Roman Catholicism. So it is obvious that zionist jews would sympatize with Calvinists. They are one and the same. Judaism and Calvinism, if they have one thing in common, its that they do not believe in an afterlife, and they do not believe in the immanent presence of the the divine. They are both religions that are soley concerned with the here and now, with material existence. To some, this philosphy may be percieved as a great breakthrough in the emancipation of man from the slavery of superstition. To others, however, these religions can only be seen as the utter defeat of man’s sublime and eternal nature, and inevitably the cause of the destruction of all of history’s great and magnificent civilizations.

    1. Well Starbreaker .. how about the fact the John Calvin was a crypto jew … and Martin Luther a Rosicrucian – would that surprise you?

      That the ‘reformation’ was yet another ploy to infliltrate and cause massive division – I think they have suceeded, don’t you?

    2. Starbreaker,

      Um..have you ever heard of the Solas? Westminster Confession? John Calvin believed in the afterlife, the divinity of Christ, the trinity, the forgiveness of sins, etc etc. You flat out tell lies. Furthermore John Calvin did not believe in dispensationalism. He did not believe in a “israel” here on earth, he believed that the Church was Israel. Please get a clue.

    3. Calvinism is certainly concerned with the afterlife, primarily because it is the eternal extension of the relationship conferred on the elect through irresistible grace. Judaism, at least Pharasaical Judaism, also certainly believed fully in an afterlife.

  3. Starbreaker it not altogether accurate. It was only a sect of the Jews, the Sadducees, who denied the afterlife, while the Pharisees believed in it.

    This is the first time I’ve heard that John Calvin did not believe in an afterlife. If Calvin did not believe in the afterlife, why would he believe in “Perseverance of the Saints”, i.e., eternal security.

    And while Catholics may be a rich (beyond the dreams of avarice) and strong church their doctrine of the afterlife is clear in their works based shorting of ones time in Purgatory and reward for the saints in heaven…or eternal damnation in hell.

  4. TimberBee, you are exactly right. On all counts. Calvin, and the Roman Church, and all non-heretical Christian churches believe in the life to come, the resurrection.

    We all differ on the details of how that’s going to work out, on who gets saved, on whether God has determined from the beginning who’s in and who’s out.

    But that’s what make for a fun ride on this side of death…

  5. “NOTE from Pastor Joe Johnson: John Calvin and Martin Luther both had the Jews rightfully pegged as the sons of Satan, however beware of the Centre for the Study of Historical Christian Antisemitism, they are a Judeo-Christian outfit. This inter-faith Anti-Christ Ministry is none the less a good source of old Christian Church Documents which prove conclusively that the Christian Church has been stoutly Anti-Jewish from earliest times. The Protestant Reformation was Anti-Jewish! Key leaders of the Reformation hated the Jews. Take note that these men did NOT understand the Christian Identity Truths that we understand today. None the less they certainly were NOT Judeo-Christians as some would lead you to believe. Both Calvin & Luther, indeed most Protestants were stoutly Anti-Jewish.”
    You will find tons similar to this stuff in the internet. We may bury the past, but many use this past as their beacon. Today both Jews and Christians stand in the focus of Islam on the same side of the fence. If the western world does not wake up to this threat there will be no western world.

  6. It’s from Brazil.

    Congratulations!

    John Rich, let me translate it to Portuguese. I’m working to create a dialogue between reformed theology and Jewish thought in my blog in Brazil.

    I need your authorization for.

    Thanks,
    Igor Miguel

  7. On another noTe The bible tells of David MURDERING URIAH

    Is this Anti Davidite ?

    The bible tells of The Benjamites Raping a woman till she dies….

    is this ANTI Benjamites.

    You seem to be comming form a childish, islamic or catholic junk mind theology…..

    The bible is filled with antisemite facts….

    Jews are just like any other people….Full of people who make mistakes…..

    .BUT they are still Gods choosen People…ALL jews wrote BOTH the Torah & the New Test….

    God still has a plan for his People the Hbrews…..acording to the O T & THE N T.

    Are you catholic ?

  8. With respect your views on the Jews is completely wrong – and only looked at from an xtian angle. If you study with honesty in Judaism you will discover much of what you read in the NT is anti semetic and completely unfounded. For started the Jews did not kill JC the Romans did. The

    Isa 9:6 ……saYing, a child is born, a SON is given: and HIS NAME shall
    be called The mighty God, & The everlasting Father.

    Y do U…ignore these OLD Test…..Torah PROPHICIES ?

    I certainly do not ingore the Tanach (there is no Old Testament as you call it – there is only one Tanach and it is still totally valid)

    There is not one prophecy in the Tanach that mentions your xtain saviour – not one!

    Your POST is such a diversion from the TOPIC and REAL FACTS…..it is obvious

    Since when has truth been a diversion – by your post you have absolutely no idea of the ‘real facts!’

    THAT you are playing DIVERSIONARY games…..

    PRETENDING to be someting U are not…..

    I certainly do not pretend to be anything – I state what I believe I do not ‘pretend’ as you call it.

    The truth & FACTS…..remain ……………

    THEY are simple…. that the N.T. bible was ALL WRITTEN & complete…..IN A BOOK by 150 – 200 yrs after JESUS CHRIST.

    FACT

    iF You choose to not believe the BIBLE…….?…& tHAT IS OBVIOUS thaT YOU DO NOT,,,………..& THAt IS YOUR choice….

    I suggest that before you bandy insults about it, you do some research – and by the way has any one ever told you that capitals is shouting and is considered rude, we can debate quite calmly and factually with out hysteria please!

    the TORAH / Old Test,,,,,…………PROPHECY concerning the VIRGIN who would

    give birth ……………

    The terminology your are looking for is not the Torah it is the Tanach and the prophecy concerning the virgin is certainly not JC. The Torah is the first 5 books of Moses.

    The bible foretold THE FUTURE ….The Old Testament PROPHECY of Jesus ….

    Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin

    shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    Where in the NT do you see your saviour called Immanuel?

    For nearly two millennia the church has insisted that the Hebrew word alma can only mean “virgin.” The church must hold this position because Matthew 1:22-23 translates alma in Isaiah 7:14 as “virgin.” The first Gospel quotes this well-known verse to provide the only “Old Testament” proof text for the supposed virgin birth of Jesus. The stakes are high for Christendom, because if the Hebrew word alma does not mean virgin, Matthew is misquoting the prophet Isaiah, and both a key tenet of Christianity and the credibility of the first Gospel collapses. It should be said at the outset that the word “virgin” does not appear in the seventh chapter of Isaiah. The author of the first Gospel deliberately mistranslated the Hebrew word ha’almah as “a virgin.” This Hebrew word ha’almah does not mean “a virgin.” It means “the young woman,” with no implication of virginity. Most modern Christian Bibles have corrected this erroneous translation, and their Bibles now correctly translate this Hebrew word as “the young woman.” Let’s now examine the context of Isaiah 7:14.

    The seventh chapter of the Book of Isaiah begins by describing the military crisis that was confronting King Ahaz of the Kingdom of Judah. In about the year 732 B.C.E. the House of David was facing imminent destruction at the hands of two warring kingdoms: the northern Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Syria. These two armies had laid siege to Jerusalem. The Bible relates that the House of David and King Ahaz were gripped with fear. Chapter seven relates how God sent the prophet Isaiah to reassure King Ahaz that divine protection was at hand — the Almighty would protect him, their deliverance was assured, and these two hostile armies would fail in their attempt to subjugate Jerusalem. In Isaiah 7:1-16 we read:

    Hundreds of YRS before Jesus it was written he would COME…..The old testament tells of The SON of GOD

    Isa 9:6 ……saYing, a child is born, a SON is given: and HIS NAME shall
    be called The mighty God, & The everlasting Father.

    Y do U…ignore these OLD Test…..Torah PROPHICIES ?

    Let us get a few facts straight here eh? Let me quote you the verses correctly and not mangled by NT copiers.

    For to us a child has been born, to us a son has been given, and the government is upon his shoulder, and he called his name “Wonderful in Counsel, Mighty G-d, the Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” That the government may be increased and that there be no end to the peace upon the throne of David and upon his Kingdom, to establish and uphold it through justice and righteousness from now and forever-may the zeal of the L-rd of hosts perform this.

    This child was Hezekiah, who inherited the throne from his father King Ahaz. Hence the verse states that ‘the Government is upon his shoulder,’ in the present, not that it “will be” in the future.

    Isaiah 9:5-6[6-7] and the New Testament

    In addition to all the evidence from the Hebrew Bible presented in the analysis above, there are some additional issues, relevant specifically to the New Testament, which need to be considered by those who insist on interpreting Isaiah 9:5-6[6-7] as describing the messiah of Christianity:

    The authors of the New Testament do not cite either of these verses, which would indicate that even they did not consider them as references to Jesus. Nowhere do the authors of the New Testament ever refer to Jesus by any of the names/titles listed in Isaiah 9:5[6].

    These names/titles actually are inconsistent with common references to Jesus. How can The Everlasting Father also be The Son?

    Regarding Jesus being The Prince of Peace, as in the KJV rendition of Isaiah 9:6, he appears to proclaim just the contrary about himself:

    Matthew 10:34 (KJV) – Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
    This does not portray someone who is called The Prince of Peace.
    The analysis presented of the Hebrew text of Isaiah 9:5-6 demonstrates how this passage describes events that had already taken place during the era in which it was spoken by the Prophet, i.e., it is a historic, not messianic, passage. With the help of other relevant passages from the Hebrew Bible, it was further demonstrated that King Hezekiah is most likely the one of whom Isaiah spoke here.

    What would motivate the KJV translators to make these changes from the Hebrew text in this passage relative to other instances where the same terms were correctly translated? Apparently, this passage presented an opportunity for Church translators to infuse into the words of the Prophet Isaiah some Christological “spin” that would turn it into a messianic prophecy about Jesus. However, it still is puzzling why this passage would be targeted for revision in view of the fact that even the authors of the New Testament did not believe that it applied to Jesus, as is evident from their silence about it.

    The fact remains that Jesus did not literally or figuratively fulfill any of Isaiah’s words. A wonderful counsellor does not advise his followers that if they have faith they can be agents of destruction (Matthew 21:19-21; Mark 11:14, 20-23). A mighty God does not take orders from anyone (Luke 2:51, Hebrews 5:8), for no one is greater than he is (Matthew 12:31-32; John 5:30, 14:28). Moreover, he does not ask or need to be saved by anyone (Matthew 26:39, Luke 22:42), for he cannot die by any means (Matthew 27:50, Mark 15:37, Luke 23:46, John 19:30). He who is called the Son of God the Father (John 1:18, 3:16) cannot himself be called everlasting Father. One cannot play simultaneously the role of the son and the Father; it is an obvious self-contradiction. He who advocates family strife (Matthew 10:34-35, Luke 12:49-53) and killing enemies (Luke 19:27) cannot be called a ruler of peace.

    “My tongue cleaveth to my jaws…they pierced my hands and my feet” (Ps.

    22:15,16). This was fulfilled in Christ’s thirst on the cross (John 19:28).

    Psalm 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me:
    they pierced my hands and my feet. KJV

    Psalm 22:17 For dogs have surrounded me; a band of evildoers encompassed me; like a lion [they are at] my hands
    and my feet. Hebrew translation
    כִּי סְבָבוּנִי כְּלָבִים עֲדַת
    מְרֵ עִים הִקִּ יפוּנִי כָּאֲרִ י יָדַ י
    וְרַ גְלָי׃
    יז

    This is, perhaps, one of the verses from the Christian “Old Testament” most frequently referenced by Christians when claiming that the
    crucifixion of Jesus was foretold. Yet, as was noted above, none of the authors of the New Testament ever point to this verse, which is such an
    important component in the evangelical portfolio. A comparison of the above two translations reveals a major discrepancy in the respective renditions of the term י ִרֲאָכּ (ka’ari), like a lion. The typical Jewish rendition of this term is like a lion; while the KJV (typical of most Christian translations) has they pierced.
    A simple word study on the Hebrew term י ִרֲאָכּ helps answer this. For simplicity, the word study concerns only cases where the same form of
    the term appears, i.e., excluding conjugations of the root noun י ִרֲא (ari) in the singular and plural, and combinations with various prepositions other than that which occurs here [the ־ָכּ {or ־ַכּ} (ka-) here is the Hebrew preposition equivalent to like/as]. In addition to the application at Psalms 22:17[16],
    three other instances of י ִרֲאָכּ are present in the Hebrew Bible, and all are shown in Table IV.D-1 below, along with their respective KJV translations.
    There is also a single instance of the term י ִרֲאַכְו (v echa’ari), which is the v) וְ־ with the preposition כָּאֲרִ י equivalent ofe-), and, in front of it to make it, and like a lion. This term is included in Table IV.D-1 for completeness since it contains the original term י ִרֲאָכּ, though it is not critical for illustrating the point to be made here.
    “They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture” (Ps.
    “They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink” (Ps. 69:21). ………Hundreds of YRS before Jesus it was written he would COME……*./……………..& gives details of what would happen..

    This Psalm, according to the Christians, is a prophecy of Jesus’ sufferings for mankind. This Psalm is quoted in various places, but I will only deal with it in regards to verses 4 and 5.

    Psalm 69:4 They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away. (KJV)
    Quoted here:

    John 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. (KJV)
    As I’ve established above, this requires belief in Jesus before this becomes a valid proof. Additionally, this same logic is used for the verse regarding drinking vinegar. Because Jesus drank vinegar on the cross, and the Psalm speaks of someone being served vinegar to drink, obviously the Psalm must be talking about Jesus! This sort of logic is hopelessly flawed.

    Furthermore, this Psalm disagrees with the New Testament’s portrayal of Jesus:

    Psalms 69:5 O G-d, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee. (KJV)
    It is quite well known that Christians espouse the doctrine of Jesus’ “sinless nature.” However, if the New Testament wants to apply Psalm 69 to Jesus, the Jewish people have no problem with the idea.

    21. Humiliation has broken my heart and I have become ill; I hoped for sympathy but there was none, and for comforters but I found none.
    22. They put gall into my food and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.
    23. May their table before them become a trap, and [their hope] for peace become a snare.
    24. May their eyes become dark, so they cannot see; constantly cause their loins to slip.
    25. Pour out Your fury upon them, and may Your burning wrath overtake them.
    26. May their palace be desolate; in their tents let there be no dweller.
    27. For You-those whom You smote they pursued, and about the pain of those whom You wounded they tell.
    28. Add iniquity to their iniquity, and let them not come into Your charity.
    29. May they be erased from the book of life, and may they not be inscribed with the righteous.
    30. But I am poor and in pain; may Your salvation, O God, exalt me.
    31. I shall praise the name of God with song, and I shall magnify Him with a thanksgiving offering.
    32. And it will appeal to the Lord more than a young bull that is mature, with horns and hooves.
    33. When the humble see, they rejoice, yea, those who seek God, and your heart will be invigorated.
    34. For God hearkens to the needy, and He does not despise His prisoners.
    35. Heaven and earth will praise Him, the seas and everything that moves therein,
    36. When God saves Zion and builds the cities of Judah, and they dwell there and take possession of it.
    37. And the seed of His servants inherit it, and those who love His name dwell therein.
    I have marked in red the obvious fact that this cannot be about JC. Recall the words your saviour said on the cross “Forgive them father they know not what they do…” the words marked in red hardly do that justice – do they. The Psalmist is David and this psalm is about David.

    acording to your THEOLOGY…….The entire bible is ANTI SEMITE….FROM adam & eve,,,,……Cain KILLED abel

    Is this ANTI ADAMITE ? X

    With respect this is not really worth replying too – do you not think this is rather childish remarks – you know perfectly what I am saying?

    The Sons of Jacob / Israel……..Sold Joseph into Death & Slavery..X

    Is this ANTI Israelite ? X

    The facts STATED,,,,,,…do not make the bible anti SEMITE…..it tells the facts…X

    SOMETHING CATHOLICS do not like & muslims as well..X

    I am not sure that you read correctly what I said – it is the New Testament that is anti sematic – and through the misappropriating of the Hebrew scripture, the writers of the NT have caused untold misery to millions of Jews. They were not Christ killers, it was the Romans who crucified him. The lack of facts in the NT is of some concern, because it shows that historically facts are not correct and in many places blatant lies.

    THEY ARE LIARS….are you ?

    I should be very careful before calling people liars – it is offensive and provocative. I have not lied to you in any shape or form and I have spent a considerable amount of my time to show you the truth in the Tanach.

    1. What a waste of time…/…… good greif

      GOD almighty CAME TO ABRAHAM as a HUMAN…….man…….. WALKED, ATE .. TALKED & sat down in the door of his home…

      ANOTHER ISLAMIC CATHOLIC lie eXXXposed

      Isa 9:6 …IS clearly …saYing, a child is born, a SON is given: and HIS NAME shall
      be called

      The mighty God,

      & The everlasting Father.

      tHIS IS old testament PROPHECY….

      ..if U ….. as a catholic or Muslim CHOOSE to not believe the bible…..

      That CHOICE~~////………… is your choice…..U,,,, do not believe the bible…..&

      .its ok….

      Mat 1:22 Now all this……….which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

      Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and

      they shall call his name Emmanuel,.

      And U ask me . Where in the NT do you see your saviour called Immanuel?

      There you Go. LYING AGAIN

      ….U have proof………YOUR lies are not fooling anyone…The word Emmanuel is

      indeed in the NT…

      ANOTHER ISLAMIC CATHOLIC lie eXXXposed

      The NT is filled to the BRIM of Jeshuah FULFILLING the role as the Immanuel.

      Matt Mat 1:23
      \ The bible is filled with eXamples of the HEBREW word Alma, being USED To

      denote an especially YOUNG tender virgin maid…..

      Here are some of the places
      Gen 24:43 Exo 2:8 Psa 68:25 Pro 30:19 Son 1:3 Son 6:8 Isa 7:14

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      ~~alma Gen 24:43 Behold, I stand by the well of water; and it shall come to

      pass, that when the virgin alma

      cometh forth to draw water, and I say to her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water

      of thy pitcher to drink;
      :44 And she say to me, Both drink thou, …….let the same be the woman whom

      the LORD hath appointed out for my master’s son.

      ~~~~~ABRAHAM was looking for young 15 -19 yr old VIRGINS…ALMAS .to

      wed his young Son~~~~~~~~~

      Again your lies are eXXXposed

      }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
      ~~alma Son 1:3 Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as

      ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins alma ~

      love thee.

      }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
      ~~~alma Son 6:8 There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and

      virgins alma

      without number. :9 My dove, my undefiled is but one

      ~~~~The groom Has Queens, CONCUBINES & then FINALLY

      Virgins,.,,,,…ALMAS
      }}}}}}}}}}
      alma

      The Example in Isa 7:14 LOOK CLOSLY it is very CLEAR

      Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall

      call his name Emmanuel,.

      Hebrew 226 sign } THE HEBREW word for Sign

      SIGN HERE .is…a miracular, EXPOUNDING of GREAT happening ….a

      Miracleous SIGN…

      אות ‘ôth oth a signal as a beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.: – mark, miracle, (en-) sign,

      A simple WOMAN simply bearing a CHILD is no SIGN..

      .,this woman is in the participant & observation in a great……….MIRACLE a SIGN…

      You being catholic or a muslims WORSHIPING your pagan LIE…Allah…

      YOU do not know the bible…….U invent out of your pagan ignorance… more

      LIES feeding LIES with the LIES…. U have been FED.

      Pretending to be a HEBREW so bold & authority into a bunch of stupidity & ignorance & filth,… COMPLETE blasphemy…

      U need to stop pretending to be A jew & admit u are muslim or catholic & a

      worshiper of ALLAH the God of ROME….

      YOU DECLARE that

      The seventh chapter of the Book of Isaiah begins by describing the military crisis

      that was confronting King Ahaz of the Kingdom of Judah.

      Yea true / u have a little truth MIXED within your LIES…

      BUT the verse suddenly TAKES a complete turn DENOTING & discribing a

      FUTURE date……

      USING THE phraze IN THESE DAYS Isa 7:22 And it shall come to pass,

      IN THOSE DAYS Isa 7:23 And it shall come to pass in that day,

      Isa 7:21 And it shall come to pass in that day,

      Isa 7:17 The LORD shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy

      father’s house, days that have not come

      days that have not come..THE FUTURE

      Hundreds of YRS before Jesus. it was written he would COME…..The old testament

      tells of The SON of GOD

      Isa 9:6 ……saYing, a child is born, a SON is given: and HIS NAME shall
      be called The mighty God, & The everlasting Father.

      Y do U…ignore these OLD Test….. PROPHICIES ?

      HIS NAME shall……be called…. The mighty God,

      & The everlasting Father.

      There is only 1 everlasting ETERNAL father

      Hebrew 5703 עד ‛ad rom H5710; A terminus, duration, in the sense of

      perpetuity ( eternity, ever (-lasting, -more), old, perpetually, + world without end.

      The MIGHTY GOD / EVERLASTING ETERNAL father,,,…

      GOD almighty CAME TO ABRAHAM as a man…….. WALKED, ATE .. TALKED & sat

      down in the door of his home…

      Your islamic & catholic lies are eXXXposed

      Matthew 10:34 (KJV) – Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came

      not to send peace, but a sword.

      Jesus explains what KIND OF SWORD he is meaning….a SWORD that will

      divide people & families bec some of the FAMILY members will not want to

      believe in God & His word

      Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the

      daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

      YOUR ISLAMIC / CATHOLIC based arguements are so classical & yet ignorant

      THIS is most clear,,,,,Y dont u GIVE THE rest of the passage

      & tell how THAT …. when a REAL PHYSICAL sword was dawn FOR the

      protecting of JESUS

      Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for

      all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

      ANOTHER ISLAMIC CATHOLIC lie eXXXposed

      acording to your THEOLOGY…….The entire bible is ANTI SEMITE….FROM adam &

      eve,,,,……Cain KILLED abel

      Is this ANTI ADAMITE ? X

      YOU SLY AWAY

      With respect this & respect that ,,,,, diversions

      is not really worth replying too BEC To you – do you not think this is rather

      childish remarks –

      THERE IS NO RESPECT in ISLAM & Catholics pretending to be JEWS…

      The entire bible is filled with PORTRAIALS of JEWS doing horrible bad things…

      IT dont make JEWS bad people as a race & you know that…..Gods laws are

      clear…

      The bad Jews were punished & rebuked…… Cain, EVE, ADAM, The sons of

      JACOB, David Sollomon, & many many More like Samson ,,,

      The Sons of Jacob / Israel……..Sold Joseph into Death & Slavery..X

      Is this ANTI Israelite ?

      The JEWS went on TO WRITE THE NT……preach the word of God with SIGNS, miracles ^& healing, & raising the dead

      The jews are awesome…..it is liars LIKE you…who make fools out of no one but youeselves PRETENDING to be HEBREW or knowledgable of anything biblical.

      it is you MUSLIM / CATHOLIC pretending to be a HEBREW,,,,..BUT you

      foundation is based on lies to begin with,,

      YOU are indeed a true liar…..showing DISRESPECT coated in a layer of

      eXcremental ignorance & sly distractions With a coat tail of wasted time

      & you should stop PRETENDING before you make a complete fool out of your

      ISLAMIC CATHOLIC religion.

  9. I am not quite sure why I am bothering to reply to such ignorance – you come over as a fool and your understanding of truth is zilch.

  10. Your lies concerning the bible have been eXXposed…..

    the lie OYU CLAIM Emmanuel is nowhere in the N T
    ..

    This is not a debate

    U have no debate every single CLIMS u have made HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A COMPLETE LIE.

    HAs been eXXXposed

    Mat 1:22 Now all this……….which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

    Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and

    they shall call his name Emmanuel,.

    The word ALma is used to denote VIRGINS……through the bible…. Another LIE….

    THE O T speaks of the bad deeds of Hebrews in much more detail & by far more occuring happenings…than the N T could even begin to imagine..

    What you do in debate class in your ROMAN TIC CATHOLIC / ISLAMIC pasttime…is your business,,

    When U COME TO THE BATTLE eXoect your lies to be eXXposed.

  11. If the Arabians were HIS choosen PEOPLE……THE ARABIANS would have KILLED JESUS.

    acording to OLD Testament prophecy.

    Jesus, Gods Son . not only chose To allow himself to be Killed .

    AS THE OLD testament PROPHICIES.. & tell us

    But Jesus ALSO chose to come to the HEBREWS. / JEWS

    Jesus would *& DID ~ not come to the Europeans.

    Jesus did not come to the Africans or to Asians…nor Arabians.

    BUT JESUS came to the Jews.

    If Jesus would have come to the Arabians, The bible prophecy IS STILL
    the same eXact plan.

    The bible foretold THE FUTURE AS IT IS WRITTEN AS pROPHECY

    Jesus not only chose WILLINGLY To allow himself to be Killed .

    AS THE OLD testament PROPHICIES.. tell us

    But Jesus chose to come to the HEBREWS.

    Jesus would~~ *& / DID not come to the Europeans.

    Jesus did not come to the Africans or to the Asians…nor Arabians.

    BUT JESUS came to the Jews.

    If Jesus would have come to the Arabians,

    The bible prophecy would STIL be the same…….AS IT IS CLEARLY WRITTEN

    If the Arabians were HIS choosen PEOPLE……THE ARABIANS would have KILLED JESUS,

    But the Arabians were not HIS choosen people…

    ..Jesus did not send HIS BIBLE to the ARABIANS…..

    ..Jesus did not send HIS prophets to the ARABIANS…or SO CALLED MUSLIMS

    THERE were no muslims before Muhamud THE FACT IS…Muslims have not a single prophecy….

    NOT a single speck of dust on the planet…….to show a single HEBREW prophet came to any muslims……EVER

    THEY dont even have A SPECK OF DUST AS EVIDENCE OR VALIDATION FOR ANY OF THEIR CLAIM….

    EVER
    the muslims are not even From abraham

    The bible foretold THE FUTURE

    The Old Testament PROPHECY of Jeusus

    Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin

    shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    Hundreds of YRS before Jesus it was written he would COME……

    “My tongue cleaveth to my jaws…they pierced my hands and my feet” (Ps.

    22:15,16). This was fulfilled in Christ’s thirst on the cross (John 19:28).

    “They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture” (Ps.

    “They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me

    vinegar to drink” (Ps. 69:21).

    Hundreds of YRS before Jesus it was written he would COME……*

    & gives details of what would happen..

    MUSLIMS have NOTHING & can produce……ABSOLUTLY nothing WHY ?

    They have nothing of a speck of any KIND of PROPHECY from a

    single source on the planet .

    Written nor oral tradition.. WHY ?

    The old testament tells of The SON of GOD

    Isa 9:6 ……saYing, a child is born, a SON is given: and HIS NAME shall
    be called

    The mighty God, & The everlasting Father.

    Muslims do not believe the bible….

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Baisicly all the muslims do….is make LITTLE claims….that are the most ignorant, debased & completly darkend & childish thing you can imagine,,,..

    THEN they say its all in the bible….But when U go to the bible….

    IT DONT eXist………..just like everything about islam……….DOES NOT EXIST…

    The muslims put the Christian DOWN…& declare….

    YOUR many bible translations PROOVE that christianity is wrong….

    WHILE they have maybe 2 or 3 different Quran translations…

    The Bible is translated in many many different versions…

    WHY do U think Muslims only have 2 or 3 different translations ..

    Maybe its because christians dont MURDER, TORTURE, IMPRISON & FINE & harm people for making other bible translations..

    WE HAVE MANY MANY translations…

    The people killing. MURDERing , TORTURing, IMPRISONing & harming people for making other QURAN translations..

    They use this argument with pride

    to Proove that the christanity is corrupt ,

    by killing anyone who makes other variant quran translations..

    THIS is…. islamic mentality to everything they say…write & believe

    a childish, demented…perverted….silly little in your face flaky fasad

    they impress the others around them who hate the bible who hate the Jews & true christianity.

    Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/religion-philosophy/128471-do-muslims-believe-jesus-will-return-9.html#ixzz1AZ0chalb

  12. “Republicans are our enemies”–Obama has enemies…& he wants the local mob….& crack head followers To get ready for take over…

    ** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”

    ANGER IS OBAMAS medecine for america….The first Crack head president…

    Bill Clinton was the first Black president…

    ** Obama to His LITTLE crack head Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”

    ** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“

    OBAMA was won by the CATHOLIC VOTE….the pope I am sure loves America with this crack head in the white house….THE WHOLE COUNTRY LOOKS LIKE A comic movie from hell ……

    The pope probably feels like he is on CRACK watching this president just take a breath,,..

    He manages to say absolutly nothing ABOUT nothing.

    ** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”

    HE IS EXPECTING people to kill for him….THIS IS WHAT HE LIVES FOR

    THESE ARE OBAMAS OWN WORDS..

    ** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

    “God Damn America” – Barrack Hussein Obama’s Spiritual Advisor

    YOu people wake up////please /…….POPE PIUS IS NOT HERE to save America Like he saved the jews

  13. ..Like the mentioning of more than 20 children, were burned alive

    HELD HOSTAGE by the WACO TeXas David Keresh…
    But U can Go online & view their DEAD BURNED charred bodies …WHAT about these little innocent children,.. >??

    Everyone seems so upset about the little 9 yr old girl shot in Arizona..but they dont care about the child…THEY want to use the child to force politics to put the guns in to their hands ..

    They never mourned a tear for the 20 little babies burned alive at waco…

    These democrats & Liberal animals are so filthy & sick..

    They should be tried in a court of laW…CONVICTED & be given the dealth penality FOR MURDER of 20 little children HELD HOSTAGE….by Janet Reno CLINTON & the DENOMIC democratic cult…

    The kids were hostage ) HELPLESS to save themselves or even leave ,,

    & the USA Government burned them alive……Bec they wanted to prove Polygamy is so bad & evil…..

    This fact……people dont like being reminded of facts..

    OBAMA & HIS DEMON POSSESED democratic PARTY keep on pushing for VIOLENCE…
    Here ARE Obamas own WORDS calling for MURDER & VIOLENCE & HATE & anger to be turned to PHYSICAL LITERAL VIOLENCE

    Hitler did the same eXact same…

    “Bring it on”- Obama SCREAMS … Regime to The American People.

    “Get ready for hand-to-hand combat with your fellow Americans” – Obama DECLARED to his ignorant mob..

    “I want all Americans to get in each others faces! – Obama demands of his fellow bums & idiots.

    “You bring a knife to a fight pal, we’ll bring a gun” – Obama Cant wait to get everybody involved in some kind OF CONFRONTATION of some sort….

    “Republicans are our enemies”–Obama has enemies…& he wants the local mob….& crack head followers To get ready for take over…

    ** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”

    ANGER IS OBAMAS medecine for america….The first Crack head president…

    Bill Clinton was the first Black president…

    ** Obama to His LITTLE crack head Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”

    ** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“

    OBAMA was won by the CATHOLIC VOTE….the pope I am sure loves America with this crack head in the white house….THE WHOLE COUNTRY LOOKS LIKE A comic movie from hell ……

    The pope probably feels like he is on CRACK watching this president just take a breath,,..

    He manages to say absolutly nothing ABOUT nothing.

    ** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”

    HE IS EXPECTING people to kill for him….THIS IS WHAT HE LIVES FOR

    THESE ARE OBAMAS OWN WORDS..

    ** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

    “God Damn America” – Barrack Hussein Obama’s Spiritual Advisor

    YOu people wake up////please /…….POPE PIUS IS NOT HERE to save America Like he saved the jews

  14. With respect your views on the Jews is completely wrong – and only looked at from an xtian angle. If you study with honesty in Judaism you will discover much of what you read in the NT is anti semetic and completely unfounded. For started the Jews did not kill JC the Romans did. The only truth the G-d of Israel gave was the Torah some approx 4,000 years ago in which He gave to the nation of Israelites – thousands heard G-d’s voice thundering from mount Sinai. Xtianity and Muslims faith is founded on a single man. Only man has changed what G-d ordained to his peril. Where in the old Testament as you call it do you find that the G-d of Israel changed His mind? There is and always will be two sets of people on this planet … that is the Jews and Noahides. We all stem from Noah since the flood – previously from Adam. As G-d’s laws have NOT changed there is absolutly no need for man’s interpretative nonsense of religion. If one is not Jewish one is automatically a Noahide – the only difference between me and you is that I an observant one. While the Jews have 613 commandments Noahides have 7. If only people realised how destructive religion is and dangerous the lie.

  15. great piles of respect do not change the fact that ,,

    The whole bible is anti semite

    Acording to your theology..

    THE O.T. is by far more antisemite than the NEW..

    The O T is filled with Jews Murdering one another, MURDERING & RAPING.

    The N T has Jews asking ROME to get rid of a blaspheming madman,,,Jesus

    Thats a pretty good turn around ….

    BUT alll races has faults…..Thats what catholics & muslims like you refuse to accept..

    so you pretend to be a Jew & authority on the bible..

    & U HAVE BEEN PROVEN to be a complete ignorant catholic liar……PROVEN WRONG in every point You make.

  16. Every time you open your mouth and your illiterate spelling spews across the page – you speak drivel. I have been very patient with you – however your lack of knowledge of Scripture is painful. Please do not bother me again – I normally avoid morons – and you are no exception. Insulting Muslims and Catholics is a banal and stupid pastime. Personally you come over as a pathetically ignorant person. You need to learn to debate properly – you don’t even know your own religion properly. Grow up and leave sensible people to debate on a intelligent level – and take your racist and retarded mentality else where.

  17. Your lies concerning the bible have been eXXposed…..

    the lie you CLAIM Emmanuel is nowhere in the N T
    ..

    This is not a debate

    U have no debate every single CLaiM u have made HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A COMPLETE LIE.

    HAs been eXXXposed

    Mat 1:22 Now all this……….which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

    Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and

    they shall call his name Emmanuel,.

    The word ALma is used to denote VIRGINS……through the bible…. Another LIE….

    THE O T speaks of the bad deeds of Hebrews in much more detail & by far more occuring happenings…than the N T could even begin to imagine..

    What you do in debate class in your ROMAN TIC CATHOLIC / ISLAMIC pasttime…is your business,,

    When U COME TO THE BATTLE eXoect your lies to be eXXposed.

  18. Roman Catholicism Since the 3 rd CENTURY …Has continued to attack & drive the Jews Out of their homeland.

    The catholic church set out on 9 bloody crusades .

    The first crusade ROMES main Target was Israel.

    The Jews were slaughtered by the thousands for not converting to the New PAGAN religion..

    Remember ….. Babylon. the Refusal of DANIEL to bow to the PAGAN GOD…..

    Remember ….. Rome with Jesus & the disciples…. refusing to bow to the ROMAN pagan supression and man MADE worship of the Roman Leaders….

    Causing The Jews to rebell in anger

    in anger to the Roman PAGAN enforced MONOGAMY ANTI POLYGAMY laws

    The Roman enforcment of celebrating paganism……in AD 70 the Jews were AGAIN driven…….out of their HOMELAND……..

    THEN CAME ISLAM….in the 7 th century

    ..Mahoumud Continued this cycle ( HE WAS DEMON POSSESED} *& he admiTed HE HAD A SATANIC / DEMON SPIRIT.. attatched to him.

    The pagan Arabians LOVED him…..

    ..Mahoumud the filthy, perverted, freak~~ slithering around the desert murdering & stealing things for them……

    He was a real prophet…..of filth Hijacking the bible, the Pagan garble around him…..Revomiting it into a death cult…of stupidity

    with disagreement punishable by death ………………..

    ..Mahoumud inspired by satan & HELL continued to ATTACK & MURDER The Jews.

    Islam ( as the good Jews knew ) & STILL KNOW TODAY

    IZZ SLAM B~ 4~ the 7th CENTURY has -no preserved record, BIBLES-

    NO PRESERVED BOOKS-No Historic Maps-

    no geographic records-~-nothing

    ~IZZ SLAM B~ 4~ the 7th CENTURY has -NO HISTORY OF ISLAM -no CHRONICLES -NO ARTIFACTS

    ~IZZ SLAM B~ 4~ the 7th CENTURY has -NO Genealogies of ANYONE FROM ADAM

    …TO …A bloody, WOODEN splintered RAPE staff .OR a bloody SWORD

    ~IZZ SLAM B~ 4~ the 7th CENTURY has not even a scratch on a cave wall.

    OR ANYTHING proving a single person on earth SERVED the GOD of Abraham as an~~~ ALLAH or in a single ~ islamic act of worship.

    SEARCH ~` Enternet & Librarys …Thousands ~historic ~ VALIDATIONS~ for bible eXist Thousands ~years AGO…

    buT…NOT A single 1. ~

    Not 1……….. historical FACT eXists to PROOV~IZZ SLAM eXisTed ..B.. 4./ the ..7..th century.

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